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Danish Diesel ICE by ZCochrane Danish Diesel ICE by ZCochrane
Hamburg station (Germany) is more than just a little weird, and if you’ve never been here before, you may want to schedule a few extra minutes just to find out where the hell you are and how to get to where you want to. It makes up for that with good-looking architecture and weird trains, though.

One example of the latter would be the class 605, DB first and only high-speed diesel trains. For marketing purposes, they are known as ICE TD. They were ordered together with the well-known class 411 and 415 ICE T EMUs, but never really proved themselves. Despite looking exactly the same (apart from no pantographs, obviously), they are quite different internally, using different tilting mechanisms, and the 605 got the one that didn’t work. Neither did many other components, and their regular service, connecting Bavaria and Saxony, was short and problematic. At only four cars per train, they were also somewhat short for an ICE.

So for some years, they were put into storage, doing precisely nothing. DB tried to sell them, but with their list of problems, buyers weren’t exactly knocking over the door. Rumor has it that a sale to Iran was blocked by export control, because the tilting technology was actually derived from the Leopard 2 main battle tank.

Starting with the soccer world cup 2006, though, DB started to get them out again, because every train was needed. After some minor refurbishing, a few of them started to run again as special trains. They finally found their true calling when AnsaldoBreda started to fail to deliver new high-speed trains to danish DSB on time (belgians and dutch here, does that sound familiar?). The most direct connection from Hamburg to Copenhagen is the Vogelfluglinie/Fugleflugtslinien (bird flight line) via Lübeck, Puttgarden and Rødby. It is not electrified yet, so the ICE TD was a perfect match. The short length of the trains is also practical, because there is a huge stretch of baltic sea in the middle of the route, with a bridge being a far-off goal at best (although the danish are arguing for it heavily). That means the trains have to be loaded onto a ferry. To my knowledge, this is the only case of high-speed trains going part of their normally scheduled line by ship anywhere in the world.

For this service, the trains received some overhaul and also DSB logos in place of the DB ones. That is something of a lie, as all other markings clearly show that this train is registered in Germany and owned by DB, but if it makes the danish feel better…

By the way: I recently heard about a proposal to use ICE TD trainsets in California, sort of as a preview of the future high speed rail line. I can think of quite a number of reasons why this is an incredibly stupid plan, but it would be fun to see if they managed to pull it off. Do any californians reading this know more about that?
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soli01 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
do u allow me to use this image for digital image manipulation.
i wanna use this image just for manipulation not for commercial or business purposes....!!
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013  Student Photographer
This file is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 3.0 license. As long as you do what that license asks, you don't even have to ask my permission. But please, actually read and understand that license first. It's really short!
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p3rsh1ng Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Isnt it Altona station?
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Student Photographer
No, this is the main station. Altona is the other of Hamburg's stations, and considerably less stylish.
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p3rsh1ng Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Well all those adverts and MacDonalds dont seem very stylish to me :( But thats the nature of a consumer society

Do you have a shot of the Altona station?
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p3rsh1ng Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Newer knew there was a diesel ICE.

BTW that station looks immense O_O
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engineerJR Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Mal sehen, ob die Dänen mit dem bockigen Teil besser zurecht kommen^^
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012  Student Photographer
Im Vergleich zu den AnsaldoBreda-Dingern, die die bestellt haben, ist sogar der ICE-TD ein wunderbarer Zug. :D
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engineerJR Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Ich find die dänischen Gumminasen besser^^
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NSLC Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2011
Fine explanation and Denmark is pleased with the ICE train we have as the other trains are still in limited operation.
I saw it in Copenhagen recently and got an ice image [link]
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Encephalartos Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010
Nice. Might be making a stop in Hamburg in December, as i'm going to Copenhagen for a few days.
I'm still torn between the choice of taking the Köln-Copenhagen City Nightline or the ICE that goes on the ferry :-p.
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010  Student Photographer
A difficult choice indeed. Either way, thank you for the :+fav:! :)
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Encephalartos Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2011
In the end i took the ICE on my return journey :).
I decided last-minute to change my ticket, and rightly so.

The City Night Line of that night never made it to Köln...
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mhzdsgn Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2010
Great picture and a very interesting description! Thank you ;)
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2010  Student Photographer
Thank you in return for the :+fav:! :D
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DelialFallen Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010
I am very much drawn to this piece of photography; firstly because the shot is amazing, and secondly because it offers a glimpse into a culture i know very little of. I like train stations, or bus stations: there is something inordinately cool to me about seeing people in transitory spaces.
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janvandyk Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010
I love Hamburg Hbf. Nice Fotoposition
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gundam-genki Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Aaaargh... do you have to remember me of the fiasco that is AnsaldoBreda???

Not only does our great 'leader' in the railway-heavens (or in this case, probably some idiot from the eternally closed-down-railways of hell) managed to not only order one of the ugliest* high speed trains in the history of railways, but also from some weird company that manages to evade every single deadline you throw at it, and even now the delivery date was pushed back to late 2011...

*) I do have to admit that the design grows on you, and also that I shouldn't complain, as variety is a nice thing to have. Three different high-speed trains in a single country with only one high-speed-line isn't that bad... :P
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Student Photographer
2011 now? It just keeps getting better…
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gundam-genki Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Yup, and I wouldn't even blink anymore if it ends up becoming december 2012... or 2022 or something.

Turns out it's on the english wikipedia: [link]
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samreevesphoto Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010  Professional Photographer
I'd love to go there sometime. Fantastic photo. :thumbsup:
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010  Student Photographer
Thank you! :)
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leoEye Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice (;
I like the train stations in Hamburg especially this big one.
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EricForFriends Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2010  Professional Photographer
*Raises hands at the mention of Ansalmo Breda delay*

The slightly muted light is wonderful, and because some of it selectively falls on the front section of the train, it adds to the depth of the picture. Great detail too.
I love the comment too... a hst on a ferry, brilliant. As to news from California, do you now this blog? [link] I just came across it in Google.

I'm just curious why running the ICE TD in Cali would be stupid plan, apart from the technical shakiness of the thing. :?
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010  Student Photographer
Thank you for the comments, the :+fav:s and pointing me to that blog (which I hadn’t seen before)! :)

The ICE TD does not meet american crash safety standards, so there is a good chance that authorities won’t allow it to run unless it is guaranteed to be the only train on the line. Alternatively, one could build in heavy reinforcements, but that would probably not be good for the already shaky technology.

There is also the issue of train control. Running high speed trains on lines that do not have any train control (as is the case for almost all in the US) is questionable from a safety point of view, especially tilting trains that are supposed to go faster through the curves than normal trains. It can be done, but there is a risk associated with it.

The ICE TD also does not conform to several american standards. The slightly different wheelsets and changed lights would probably not be an issue, but it requires a far higher entry than platforms in the west of the US normally have. You’d have to put steps in front of the train wherever it stops, or build makeshift platforms just for this train at all stations. Those platforms would either hinder wider american trains, or have a significant gap to the ICE.

Finally, I am not sure if DB would be willing to sell, or what price they’d demand. After all, they finally found a use for those things. Some are still in storage, last I heard, but I wouldn’t be surprised if DB was more reluctant to let go of them now.

OK, so it is maybe not that stupid a plan, but it is not an easy-to-implement short term solution, I think.
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EricForFriends Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010  Professional Photographer
You're welcome, and thanks for the explanation! A nice idea but file it under 'impractical', I'd say. They'd better spent their money on purpose-built trains.
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uta-da Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2010  Professional Photographer
love this one!
don't know why...just love!
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010  Student Photographer
Thank you for the :+fav:! :)
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uta-da Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010  Professional Photographer
:huggle:
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shenanigan87 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Das find ich mal richtig schön, erfrischend andere Perspektive, und der TD als heller Blickfang im sonst dunklen Vordergrund!
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ZCochrane Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2010  Student Photographer
Freut mich zu hören, dass es dir besser gefällt. Danke für das :+fav:! :)
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